12/20 - Ch.1&2 of Brave New World (BNW from now on): what is the premise of this sci fi novel? How is the world ordered? What do you understand? Only add NEW points OR QUESTIONS.
The premise of the novel if that there are certain social classes that have different jobs, looks and, intelligence. They are "born" and conditioned to think and feel a certain way about how the world is and how they should react. The morals of this story are very different from this world.
I found the conditioning of the children interesting. You can tell the Alphas, at the very least, are accepting of it, because the boy who questions shocking the Delta babies is only questioning the point of making them dislike flowers, not the morality of it. I think it would be interesting to see the point of view of a more disadvantaged part of civilization, like the Epsilons.
The premise of this sci-fi novel is that everyone is created genetically equal and then altered to fit into their own social class. The world is ordered in 5 social classes. The alphas, betas, gamma, delta, epsilons. They go in that order and the alphas are conditioned for a certain job and the epsilons are conditioned to hate books and to not learn. I understand that they are making babies and that things such as parents are no longer existing. I also understand that they are conditioned using what could be considered cruel ways, (i.e. electric shock).
Is the narrator for or against the egg fertilizing process?
It seems that the premise of the sci fi novel is that the people are different, but because there is so many of them, it makes you wonder if they really are different. After reading the first two chapters, I can tell that the order of the world is meant to make people better, even though there will be a copy of that person 96 times. The way that the people are formed is pretty voluntary, but the amount of people formed, and the fact that those 96 people are all the same, contributes to the fact that there is a lot of control. I think I understand that they are making children, and raising them to a certain point, but there isn't any adults to take care of them.
Well, we know alphas and betas can be decanted, but we also know they don't go through the Bonokovy (probably misspelled) process, so they're individuals. That may affect their view of things too.
The premise of this science fiction novel is the people are trained from a young age who they are and what they are suppose to do with their lives. For example the Delta babies are trained sound and electric shock to love or hate something while the Beta babies are trained in their sleep. This world is ordered very strictly and classes mean everything. The Alphas are thought as top dog and the epsilons are the lowest. I understand that the world is all about order and babies are created in Hatcheries and they are treated as the same. I do not understand why they would do this, why do they think the growing population helps?
I found it interesting how in the first two paragraphs of the novel it mentions how everything around seems to be pale, dead and a ghost and the only part that seemed to be living and rich was what was under the microscope.
I thought that you meants the first two paragraphs not the first two chapters. In the first two chapters it talks about basically how the babies are hatched now instead of having parents. They are groups A-E; A being the best group and E being the least group. They basically "breed" and train these babies to limit or extend their knowledge span by limiting the amount of oxygen that goes to their brains. The B's mention that they are glad that they aren't an Alpha because they don't want to have to do all of the work that they do. The groups do not associate with eachother and they all wear different colors. It also talks about how they train the children to not like flowers and books.
This is Carley The premise of this sci FI novel is that it is a novel about making a new world, an easy world where everyone is treated the same. Also to be taking place in the future. The world is ordered almost like if the government was taking care of animals. Putting them in an incubator and putting some asides to make many cyclones of them. They are in an age in the book of just being able to create whatever they want when it is needed.
One question that I have is about why they would want to make 96 duplicates of one person. What if something goes wrong? How is there not an over population problem?
I think that they ensure that nothing goes wrong with them because of the genetic testing and I think that they can control the population because they are controlling everyone that is born. If they have too many, they just kill them. (This is what I am assuming)
The premise of the book is that they are conditioning babies to be better adults when they are older. To keep order in the world they are encouraging and discouraging different aspects of the senses. For example, they are conditioning babies not to like flowers, which mainly includes sight and smell. However, I don't understand why they don't want the babies to like flowers.
The premise of this sci fi novel is that from the first paragraph it seemed as if the world is normal since it only talks about the size of the buildings. As I continued on through chapters one and two, I found that the new world was much different. People were being created in labs and altered to the director's perfect person through many stages. I understand some of the methods that the Director uses to make the people the way they are. The director will associate shock and loud noises with books and nature to prevent the people from enjoying nature and books, so that they cannot entirely think for themselves and take time away from working. A question I have is about the stage called the corpus luteum extract. I did not entirely understand what was happening at that point in the metre belt and hope it can be explained.
The world seems to be ordered where everyone has their place, no questions asked. It seems that they are thrust into jobs, or into their lives, as if they have no choice about what they are going to be doing. I understand from what I've read so far, there will not be a lot of classes, but the difference between them, I feel, will be great, and possibly assigned to them and how they were born? I have no idea what to write I read like 3 paragraphs ok
In the story there are no parents the children are just born and conditioned in mass numbers in on big building. They train the children to love and hate certain things like books and flowers. They students don't really understand why a man and female would have a child together because they have grown up in a place where things are done differently and the children are all born and conditioned in a certain way in large numbers by the people in this building. I find it very weird how everybody finds it completely normal that they are just producing tons of children like it is a factory.
- The premise of the book is that everyone is equal and cloned - The world is ordered so that people in one certain group have the same job and will be happy with it and have no love of nature since that will make them love the outside world - I understand that instead of people being decanted, they are hatched and cloned and forced to do a certain jobs and that the people believe in Ford instead of God
1. What year is AF 652, In the our calender? 2. Who is narrating the story? 3. How did the World State come into place?
Question: Do the eggs all hatch at different times from the same batch of buds?
This book is ordered in a very weird way. The only type of order I have seen in this book so far is the order the eggs take on the conveyer belt before they can hatch, as well as the order in which the kids live. I understand that the kids can learn in their sleep only logical things. They won't learn things they don't have background knowledge about. I have also learned that they are trying to make more buds than 96 because they want to be better then everyone else. The kids no longer have parents because, they are just hatched out of eggs. Also, I understand that the kids don't associate with others. For example the Betas only associate with the Betas, the Deltas with the Deltas, and so on. The kids are also being brought up to hate nature, but they will still travel the country.
The premise of this novel is that everyone should be created the same way, and are trained to be that way. This world is very controlled, such as the fact that people can basically be created inside test tubes. Everything seems to follow a strict plan. I don't really understand much of this book, but I do understand that the main idea seems to be equality. The children are organized by ranks, like alpha and beta. The children are basically trained to think a certain way, like being taught to hate books and flowers.
The premise of this story is that the humans are born from donated eggs and then they are changed to act a certain way. These people are not allowed to be themselves, they have to be what the scientist program them to be. They are created to be equal to one another in their social class and do a specific job. The world is ordered by having the people genetically made to be equal.
In this story children are decanted, not born. There are no need for parents anymore. To the students the thought of a male and female conceiving a child frightened them. The babies are trained to hate books and flowers, creative things; and trained to know things like "The Nile is the longest river in Africa. Kids need to know what they are going to do with their lives, there's no say. It takes the humanity out of growing up and watching a child grow/develop.
The premise of this novel is that even though the babies are all slightly different they will grow up to have different jobs, but then they will all hate the same things.They are trained with shocking to learn what they will not like, so then everyone will grow up hating flowers because they are trained to not like them. Also the children are made in factory type place and everything is pretty much chosen for them (what they will and will not like.) The morals are different from this world because we all don't hate the same things, different people like different things. In this world they are all going to like and hate the same things.
Bokanovsky's Process is a way to multiply a single fertilized embryo into 96. It is a way to "stablilize" the population, yet it seems to me that it would create the havoc of overpopulation. How does the society have enough resources to support this many people? Yes, it has been realized that the more workers they have, the more resources they can make, but how can they have enough to support that many people? This novel includes training the babies to have a certain intelligence level, or being more apt to like or dislike a certain type of thing. They use electric shock and pain to train the babies using negative reinforcement.
The premise of this novel is that every living human is created in a factory (in the year 55 55...) and all humans are placed in one of five groups composed of people identical to themselves, and designed for a certain purpose in the world. The main flavor of the novel is presented in the phrase "community, identity, stability." It seems as though a perfectly functional society has been created by eliminating choice and individuality. I wonder which part of the system, if any of it, is going to be challenged, and for what reason?
The premise of Brave New World is that people are pretty much made synthetically to be equal, and then are broken up into social classes named by the Greek alphabet. Each social group does something different. Families are no longer a concept. Everyone is family. I understand that they are trying to create equality, but I believe it is kind of strange coming from someone you don't know and having that many siblings that you will probably never meet. It's actually quite sad.
The premise of "Brave New World" is that everyone is generated equally. Clones are created in mass quantities and assigned to specific jobs. The order of the world is broken into five social classes, the alphas, betas, gamma, delta and epsilons. Gammas, deltas and epsilons are conditions to hate books and nature for the sake of not wasting the communities time. The World State does this so that these lower classes do not waste time reading or enjoying nature but spend their time working and being efficient. I understand the presence of upper classes that basically stand above the lower ones, which is common in history. I also understand the strive for efficiency, but to torture the babies when they see books is incredibly cruel.
THIS IS CHARLOTTE......I will eventually change my username....
The premise of this novel is that the people in that world are able to be bred a certain way. This creates stability because if you can breed people to think a certain way you can do anything, and there is really no chance of people rebelling if they can't think for themselves. They have these social classes and the people in the hatchery decide where they'll be not by their skills or level of intelligence, but by breeding them to be a certain way. It's like a production line. They obviously have no morals because this should not happen in nature and they treat humans like they're cattle. I think so far, the author is showing how technology is or could be ruining people or even nature in general. I wonder if in the book some of the smarter people will rebel or realize how wrong everything is...
BNW has a very similar theme to the novel the Giver in which when people are given a profession that they are to follow until they are incapable to do so, also the very weakest, and unfit for society, are simply euthanize. However BNW stands out in several other ways, children are not necessarily "born", more like hatched from pods. Also each child is put into a category that then designates their importance and potential and are trained/conditioned to fit these social classes later in their life. These social classes are Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, and Epsilons.
The premise of the novel if that they want to "stablilize" the population. They are "born" and train and cloned to think and feel a certain way about how the world is and how they should react.
The premise of the novel if that there are certain social classes that have different jobs, looks and, intelligence. They are "born" and conditioned to think and feel a certain way about how the world is and how they should react. The morals of this story are very different from this world.
ReplyDeleteWhy did they not let the babies be neutral about flowers instead of taking it to extremes on both sides?
DeleteI found the conditioning of the children interesting. You can tell the Alphas, at the very least, are accepting of it, because the boy who questions shocking the Delta babies is only questioning the point of making them dislike flowers, not the morality of it. I think it would be interesting to see the point of view of a more disadvantaged part of civilization, like the Epsilons.
ReplyDeleteThe premise of this sci-fi novel is that everyone is created genetically equal and then altered to fit into their own social class. The world is ordered in 5 social classes. The alphas, betas, gamma, delta, epsilons. They go in that order and the alphas are conditioned for a certain job and the epsilons are conditioned to hate books and to not learn. I understand that they are making babies and that things such as parents are no longer existing. I also understand that they are conditioned using what could be considered cruel ways, (i.e. electric shock).
ReplyDeleteIs the narrator for or against the egg fertilizing process?
Not born -- decanted!!!
ReplyDeleteMadeline, narrator or author?
ReplyDeleteThe person telling the story, but I guess that is the author because he is speaking as if he is an outsider looking in.
DeleteIt seems that the premise of the sci fi novel is that the people are different, but because there is so many of them, it makes you wonder if they really are different. After reading the first two chapters, I can tell that the order of the world is meant to make people better, even though there will be a copy of that person 96 times. The way that the people are formed is pretty voluntary, but the amount of people formed, and the fact that those 96 people are all the same, contributes to the fact that there is a lot of control. I think I understand that they are making children, and raising them to a certain point, but there isn't any adults to take care of them.
ReplyDeleteBut there are adults. The Director of Hatcheries and the nurses, for example.
DeleteI wonder how long this has been going on... Was the DH decanted or was he born? Does he know any different?
DeleteWell, we know alphas and betas can be decanted, but we also know they don't go through the Bonokovy (probably misspelled) process, so they're individuals. That may affect their view of things too.
DeleteMadeline--
DeleteI was wondering that as well!! Where did he come from?
The premise of this science fiction novel is the people are trained from a young age who they are and what they are suppose to do with their lives. For example the Delta babies are trained sound and electric shock to love or hate something while the Beta babies are trained in their sleep. This world is ordered very strictly and classes mean everything. The Alphas are thought as top dog and the epsilons are the lowest. I understand that the world is all about order and babies are created in Hatcheries and they are treated as the same. I do not understand why they would do this, why do they think the growing population helps?
ReplyDeleteI found it interesting how in the first two paragraphs of the novel it mentions how everything around seems to be pale, dead and a ghost and the only part that seemed to be living and rich was what was under the microscope.
ReplyDeleteI thought that you meants the first two paragraphs not the first two chapters. In the first two chapters it talks about basically how the babies are hatched now instead of having parents. They are groups A-E; A being the best group and E being the least group. They basically "breed" and train these babies to limit or extend their knowledge span by limiting the amount of oxygen that goes to their brains. The B's mention that they are glad that they aren't an Alpha because they don't want to have to do all of the work that they do. The groups do not associate with eachother and they all wear different colors. It also talks about how they train the children to not like flowers and books.
DeleteThis is Carley
ReplyDeleteThe premise of this sci FI novel is that it is a novel about making a new world, an easy world where everyone is treated the same. Also to be taking place in the future. The world is ordered almost like if the government was taking care of animals. Putting them in an incubator and putting some asides to make many cyclones of them. They are in an age in the book of just being able to create whatever they want when it is needed.
One question that I have is about why they would want to make 96 duplicates of one person. What if something goes wrong? How is there not an over population problem?
DeleteI think that they ensure that nothing goes wrong with them because of the genetic testing and I think that they can control the population because they are controlling everyone that is born. If they have too many, they just kill them. (This is what I am assuming)
DeleteThe premise of the book is that they are conditioning babies to be better adults when they are older. To keep order in the world they are encouraging and discouraging different aspects of the senses. For example, they are conditioning babies not to like flowers, which mainly includes sight and smell. However, I don't understand why they don't want the babies to like flowers.
ReplyDeleteThey explained that. Remember, a student asked the question.
DeleteThe premise of this sci fi novel is that from the first paragraph it seemed as if the world is normal since it only talks about the size of the buildings. As I continued on through chapters one and two, I found that the new world was much different. People were being created in labs and altered to the director's perfect person through many stages. I understand some of the methods that the Director uses to make the people the way they are. The director will associate shock and loud noises with books and nature to prevent the people from enjoying nature and books, so that they cannot entirely think for themselves and take time away from working. A question I have is about the stage called the corpus luteum extract. I did not entirely understand what was happening at that point in the metre belt and hope it can be explained.
ReplyDeleteThe world seems to be ordered where everyone has their place, no questions asked. It seems that they are thrust into jobs, or into their lives, as if they have no choice about what they are going to be doing. I understand from what I've read so far, there will not be a lot of classes, but the difference between them, I feel, will be great, and possibly assigned to them and how they were born? I have no idea what to write I read like 3 paragraphs ok
ReplyDeleteIn the story there are no parents the children are just born and conditioned in mass numbers in on big building. They train the children to love and hate certain things like books and flowers. They students don't really understand why a man and female would have a child together because they have grown up in a place where things are done differently and the children are all born and conditioned in a certain way in large numbers by the people in this building. I find it very weird how everybody finds it completely normal that they are just producing tons of children like it is a factory.
ReplyDelete- The premise of the book is that everyone is equal and cloned
ReplyDelete- The world is ordered so that people in one certain group have the same job and will be happy with it and have no love of nature since that will make them love the outside world
- I understand that instead of people being decanted, they are hatched and cloned and forced to do a certain jobs and that the people believe in Ford instead of God
1. What year is AF 652, In the our calender?
2. Who is narrating the story?
3. How did the World State come into place?
You mean instead of being born! They are decanted/hatched!
DeleteYep, I meant to stay that "instead of people being born, they are decanted".
DeleteQuestion: Do the eggs all hatch at different times from the same batch of buds?
ReplyDeleteThis book is ordered in a very weird way. The only type of order I have seen in this book so far is the order the eggs take on the conveyer belt before they can hatch, as well as the order in which the kids live. I understand that the kids can learn in their sleep only logical things. They won't learn things they don't have background knowledge about. I have also learned that they are trying to make more buds than 96 because they want to be better then everyone else. The kids no longer have parents because, they are just hatched out of eggs. Also, I understand that the kids don't associate with others. For example the Betas only associate with the Betas, the Deltas with the Deltas, and so on. The kids are also being brought up to hate nature, but they will still travel the country.
The premise of this novel is that everyone should be created the same way, and are trained to be that way. This world is very controlled, such as the fact that people can basically be created inside test tubes. Everything seems to follow a strict plan. I don't really understand much of this book, but I do understand that the main idea seems to be equality. The children are organized by ranks, like alpha and beta. The children are basically trained to think a certain way, like being taught to hate books and flowers.
ReplyDeleteThe premise of this story is that the humans are born from donated eggs and then they are changed to act a certain way. These people are not allowed to be themselves, they have to be what the scientist program them to be. They are created to be equal to one another in their social class and do a specific job. The world is ordered by having the people genetically made to be equal.
ReplyDeleteIn this story children are decanted, not born. There are no need for parents anymore. To the students the thought of a male and female conceiving a child frightened them. The babies are trained to hate books and flowers, creative things; and trained to know things like "The Nile is the longest river in Africa. Kids need to know what they are going to do with their lives, there's no say. It takes the humanity out of growing up and watching a child grow/develop.
ReplyDeleteThe premise of this novel is that even though the babies are all slightly different they will grow up to have different jobs, but then they will all hate the same things.They are trained with shocking to learn what they will not like, so then everyone will grow up hating flowers because they are trained to not like them. Also the children are made in factory type place and everything is pretty much chosen for them (what they will and will not like.) The morals are different from this world because we all don't hate the same things, different people like different things. In this world they are all going to like and hate the same things.
ReplyDeleteBokanovsky's Process is a way to multiply a single fertilized embryo into 96. It is a way to "stablilize" the population, yet it seems to me that it would create the havoc of overpopulation. How does the society have enough resources to support this many people? Yes, it has been realized that the more workers they have, the more resources they can make, but how can they have enough to support that many people? This novel includes training the babies to have a certain intelligence level, or being more apt to like or dislike a certain type of thing. They use electric shock and pain to train the babies using negative reinforcement.
ReplyDeleteThe premise of this novel is that every living human is created in a factory (in the year 55 55...) and all humans are placed in one of five groups composed of people identical to themselves, and designed for a certain purpose in the world. The main flavor of the novel is presented in the phrase "community, identity, stability." It seems as though a perfectly functional society has been created by eliminating choice and individuality. I wonder which part of the system, if any of it, is going to be challenged, and for what reason?
ReplyDeleteThe premise of Brave New World is that people are pretty much made synthetically to be equal, and then are broken up into social classes named by the Greek alphabet. Each social group does something different. Families are no longer a concept. Everyone is family. I understand that they are trying to create equality, but I believe it is kind of strange coming from someone you don't know and having that many siblings that you will probably never meet. It's actually quite sad.
ReplyDeleteThe premise of "Brave New World" is that everyone is generated equally. Clones are created in mass quantities and assigned to specific jobs. The order of the world is broken into five social classes, the alphas, betas, gamma, delta and epsilons. Gammas, deltas and epsilons are conditions to hate books and nature for the sake of not wasting the communities time. The World State does this so that these lower classes do not waste time reading or enjoying nature but spend their time working and being efficient. I understand the presence of upper classes that basically stand above the lower ones, which is common in history. I also understand the strive for efficiency, but to torture the babies when they see books is incredibly cruel.
ReplyDeleteTHIS IS CHARLOTTE......I will eventually change my username....
ReplyDeleteThe premise of this novel is that the people in that world are able to be bred a certain way. This creates stability because if you can breed people to think a certain way you can do anything, and there is really no chance of people rebelling if they can't think for themselves. They have these social classes and the people in the hatchery decide where they'll be not by their skills or level of intelligence, but by breeding them to be a certain way. It's like a production line. They obviously have no morals because this should not happen in nature and they treat humans like they're cattle. I think so far, the author is showing how technology is or could be ruining people or even nature in general. I wonder if in the book some of the smarter people will rebel or realize how wrong everything is...
It's not breed it's more of clone and condition
DeleteBNW has a very similar theme to the novel the Giver in which when people are given a profession that they are to follow until they are incapable to do so, also the very weakest, and unfit for society, are simply euthanize. However BNW stands out in several other ways, children are not necessarily "born", more like hatched from pods. Also each child is put into a category that then designates their importance and potential and are trained/conditioned to fit these social classes later in their life. These social classes are Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, and Epsilons.
ReplyDeleteThe premise of the novel if that they want to "stablilize" the population. They are "born" and train and cloned to think and feel a certain way about how the world is and how they should react.
ReplyDelete