Bernard wants to be accepted by the group and be part of them, doesn't like being an outcast Lenina wants to belong to someone else whether it be Bernard, John, or Henry. She feels as if everyone shouldn't belong to everyone else., Linda wants bliss and happiness which she receives from soma John wants Lenina but fells he is not worthy, he wishes for honor, he enjoys being intellectual amd doesn't seem to be enjoying the Brave New World though he thought he would. Mustapha Mond wants to stay in power and doesn't want to be argued with Fanny wants to be famous, a celebrity and is willing to be two-faced to get what she wants Helmhotlz wants for the world to be truly equal and fair to all such as when he forgives Bernard and enjoys life the way it instead without Soma and any other artificial stuff
Helmhotlz and John both enjoy writing paoms and John reads Romeo and Juliet to Helmhotz, I think the 3 will eventually topple the government or change the way that things are done
I disagree with Shabad about Bernard, John, Helmholtz, and Lenina. Bernard is proud of his outcast state yet wants to be respected. He wants to stand out, but not in the way he was doing before where he was disrespected, moreso in the way a World Controller stands out. Lenina wants monogamic love, but she doesn't want to lose her society because it's all she's ever known and she's been conditioned. John does want Lenina, but he doesn't want her in the way her society would let him have her. Part of her lure to him is his conviction of her being "pure" in some way, and he's afraid if he has her she'll somehow lose what attracts him to her. Helmhotlz knows the world he lives in but has not actively fought it, except for the rhyme, so he wants his friend Bernard to be stronger, to not give in to the society they live in (orgy-porgy). He may want their society to be more self aware, but he doesn't think he can do anything to help that.
Lenina wants to have somebody, she has been with the same guy for a while and feels kind of like she needs to be with somebody different, but she doesn't necessarily mind who she is with. Just like McKayla was saying, Bernard likes being an outcast but at the same time he wants to be respected just like the rest of the people do and I think he is trying to fit in but he doesn't want to change the way he is as a person. Linda wants to go back to the way things were before she had to go where all the people who aren't apart of this New World are. She talks a lot about all the rules of the New World, how everybody belongs to everybody else and how a woman shouldn't stay with the same man. She doesn't let her own son call her mother and she is always wanting soma so that she can escape the feelings she is having. She just wants to be happy in the place that she is living in.
Lenina wants love, but does not want to be an outcast by only sicking with one guy. She dates around, but she is encouraged by her friends to do this and is also trained to do this. Bernard was at first insure about being an outcast, but he is now proud of it and does not deny he is one. I agree with McKayla and Cassidy that although Bernard is okay with being different, he still wants the respect others get. I believe that he is after a world where he is not treated like an outcast and a world where you can have only one girl/boy. John wants to be a part of the World State and he wants to be respected like everyone else, along with Linda. John also wants Lenina.
Bernard is the character that wants to be a little bit different from everyone while still staying respectful. Lenina wants to have love and know what that feels like. I agree with what McKayla because I believe that John does want Lenina but wants her in the way that their society will accept them. He also wants respect from everyone just like Linda does.
I agree with Shabad that Lenina wants to be with one man but she has been trained, like a dog (with a shock collar and treats, soma), to want to belong to everyone else I agree with McKayla that Bernard likes being different but he wants and tries to be accepted I think that John, having read Romeo and Juliet, believes he is in love and he wants to MARRY her (earlier he asked her if she was married) but he is too affraid to do it. (shown when he went though her things or when he saw her sleeping) He also loves thinking rather than acting because of his childhood being mocked by illiterates. Linda wishes she didn't but she loves her son. She wants to go back to civilization but she would be an outcast because of her apperence and she is a mother.
I agree with the people who are saying Lenina wants to be in a monogamous relationship but doesn't really know how to because she has been trained to "belong to everyone." Also, Bernard wants to be individualized in a good way, not because he is "odd." In addition, John wants Lenina in a way that she's not familiar with because they come from totally different places. Therefore, if Lenina is able to overcome her conditioning and be in a relationship with one person, things may work out with her and John. Lastly, I agree with Bryan because deep down Linda knows she loves her son but doesn't want to admit it because then she would have to accept the fact that she really is a mother and had a baby. For example, after John called her mother she replied with, "I'm not your mother. I won't be your mother" (Huxley 127). Linda knows that if she admits she's a mother, she will lose the hope of going back to civilization because she would become a socially outcast.
Bernard wants to be different or separate from others not in a bad way but he just doesn't think like everyone else. John wants Lenina but she is not used to the way that he wants her. Lenina isn't used to this type of relationship because since she has been conditioned all she's ever known is to be trained to belong to everyone. I agree with Bryan also that Linda can't accept that she really did have a baby because she's still holding onto the chance she has to returning to this society.
Lenina wants to have somebody and not just "belong" to everyone, she wants something more along the lines of love, but that is forbidden. Bernard wants to be reconized and respected that he is different and has different ideas, but also doesn't want to get in trouble. I agree with Shabad that Mustapha Mond does not want to questioned and just wants to have his power. I agree with Bryan's outlook on Linda, she knows he is an outcast but wants to go back into the Brave New World but can't because she is a mother and loves he son evem though she does not want to. I also agree with Shabad about Fanny and Helmhotlz. Fanny wants to be reconized. Helmhotlz wants to not live in a world with so much soma he does not agree with it. In my past post on 1/6, my outlook on Lenina has not changed very much because she does want more in her life, as I said above, she wants something like love.
Bernard is at this point basically looking for attention. He's tried and succeeded in getting it when he played outcast, and now is receiving it after bringing "The savage" back. Lenina, as many others have said, is looking for someone to belong to. She is trying to find this in John since she's shown an interest in boys that are different, but is afraid he does not like her back. John on the other hand, does not think he is worthy of Lenina, as Shabad said. His reactions to her modern normalities is to be expected since he was not brainwashed like the rest of them. I also agree with McKayla, that John is attracted to Lenina but would not like to have her how most people of that society would. Linda is just caked out on soma from having such a terrible life being split from the World State. She is trying to make up for all her bad experiences. Mustapha Mond definitely planned to bring in "the savage" and mother to teach everyone a lesson to keep stable based on the newcomer's actions. Some type of public event will be based around John and Linda. Helmholtz wants a utopia fit to his ideas. He does a lot of thinking and is not content with how this society works. In a previous comment, I said that Bernard saw his position as outcast and turned it into his own position of power. I think he is still doing that with his new position as John's guardian, but now there is some logic to back his pride.
Bernard was an outcast and although he appeared to like the title he still craved the attention of others, so when he succeed it went to his head. Lenina as stated above just wants one person to be with which she has been trying to find in John. However John is confused and disgusted by the way this society works often quoting Shakespeare but he does want Lenina just not in the way of that society wants. I think that Mustapha Mond just wants to be able to rise in power but since it is a bad thing he has issues with trying to find outlets for he frustration and intelligence and he finds that in John and Linda.
Bernard kept to himself. He didn't like to be with other people and got irritated when in a crowd. But when he got famous, it all went to his head. He began to brag about how many girls he had in one week. Lenina wants to be with someone, not everyone. As much as she wants this she also doesn't want to be an outcast for doing so. She has feelings for John but he isn't used to how their society is run seeing as he had been brought up with the savages. John also doesn't think he is good enough for Lenina.
Bernard is tired of being outside of everyone and being on his own. He now is bragging since he is famous, and he is becoming very conceded. The basic role of society is everyone goes with everyone else, but Lenina wants the idea of being with 1 person and not everyone. John and Lenina have unsaid feelings toward either, but John doesn't think he has a chance. Linda's love for John is questioned because she can't call him her "son" and he can't call her his mother.
There is a major turning point in chapters 10-12 when Bernard brings John and Linda back to the Hatching and Conditioning Centre to meet the director. At this point in the book, Bernard is after power. He wants to be in the spotlight and to be the one that everybody else wants to meet and be acquainted with. This is especially evident as his ego balloons and he tries to exploit John by promising other important people that they can meet “the savage”. However, John is longing to have a real relationship with Lenina. Because he has read Shakespeare and is so invested in the idea of “love” he begins to reject the modern society and things like the “feelies”, which he views as crude and wrong. Lenina is also interested in spending more time with John, but because of her conditioning, she doesn’t understand his objections to the modern idea that “everyone belongs to everyone else”. If Lenina gives into her instincts and ignores her conditioning, then I think that she will find herself falling for John, who seems to be the thing she wants most at the moment. Helmholtz wants to be accepted and have friends that he gets along well with, such as John, who spends time reading Shakespeare with him and hits it off right away with him.
I agree with those who are stating that Lenina wants a monogamous relationship. She wants to be with a single person, not to belong to everybody else, even though she was raised in a society where everybody belongs to everybody else. Linda wishes to be allowed to call John her "son" because she loves him. They are living in a society where paternal words are considered to be curse words, which is one thing Linda dislikes. John wishes to have a real relationship with Lenina. However, he does not think that he has a chance and will not make a move towards the outlawed "love". Seeing as John is a Shakespeare reader, he understands what love is and wishes that he was allowed to embrace his love with Lenina. I agree with Brenna about Bernard because he is an outcast, and he seems to crave attention. Therefore, when he does get attention from bringing John to the civilization, his success goes to his head. He wants attention, power, and fame at this point in the novel.
I think also that Lenina wants a real relationship with someone, however, she still doesn't understand marriage or commitment. I feel like she doesn't understand how to get one. Linda just wants to come back to the society that she longed for when she was gone for all that time. She just purely wants pleasure which is why she comes back and all she wants is to take Soma. What John wants is to just be accepted. He felt like when he gets to the "Brave New World" everything will be better. However, when he gets there, he's treated like an outsider, too. Bernard almost uses this for his benefit. Bernard sought power and wanted to make up for his "imperfections" that everyone had talked about behind his back for his entire life and now he just craves the attention. He's getting more and more arrogant.
Bernard wants to be accepted by the group and be part of them, doesn't like being an outcast
ReplyDeleteLenina wants to belong to someone else whether it be Bernard, John, or Henry. She feels as if everyone shouldn't belong to everyone else.,
Linda wants bliss and happiness which she receives from soma
John wants Lenina but fells he is not worthy, he wishes for honor, he enjoys being intellectual amd doesn't seem to be enjoying the Brave New World though he thought he would.
Mustapha Mond wants to stay in power and doesn't want to be argued with
Fanny wants to be famous, a celebrity and is willing to be two-faced to get what she wants
Helmhotlz wants for the world to be truly equal and fair to all such as when he forgives Bernard and enjoys life the way it instead without Soma and any other artificial stuff
Helmhotlz and John both enjoy writing paoms and John reads Romeo and Juliet to Helmhotz, I think the 3 will eventually topple the government or change the way that things are done
I disagree with Shabad about Bernard, John, Helmholtz, and Lenina.
ReplyDeleteBernard is proud of his outcast state yet wants to be respected. He wants to stand out, but not in the way he was doing before where he was disrespected, moreso in the way a World Controller stands out.
Lenina wants monogamic love, but she doesn't want to lose her society because it's all she's ever known and she's been conditioned.
John does want Lenina, but he doesn't want her in the way her society would let him have her. Part of her lure to him is his conviction of her being "pure" in some way, and he's afraid if he has her she'll somehow lose what attracts him to her.
Helmhotlz knows the world he lives in but has not actively fought it, except for the rhyme, so he wants his friend Bernard to be stronger, to not give in to the society they live in (orgy-porgy). He may want their society to be more self aware, but he doesn't think he can do anything to help that.
Lenina wants to have somebody, she has been with the same guy for a while and feels kind of like she needs to be with somebody different, but she doesn't necessarily mind who she is with.
ReplyDeleteJust like McKayla was saying, Bernard likes being an outcast but at the same time he wants to be respected just like the rest of the people do and I think he is trying to fit in but he doesn't want to change the way he is as a person.
Linda wants to go back to the way things were before she had to go where all the people who aren't apart of this New World are. She talks a lot about all the rules of the New World, how everybody belongs to everybody else and how a woman shouldn't stay with the same man. She doesn't let her own son call her mother and she is always wanting soma so that she can escape the feelings she is having. She just wants to be happy in the place that she is living in.
Lenina wants love, but does not want to be an outcast by only sicking with one guy. She dates around, but she is encouraged by her friends to do this and is also trained to do this. Bernard was at first insure about being an outcast, but he is now proud of it and does not deny he is one. I agree with McKayla and Cassidy that although Bernard is okay with being different, he still wants the respect others get. I believe that he is after a world where he is not treated like an outcast and a world where you can have only one girl/boy. John wants to be a part of the World State and he wants to be respected like everyone else, along with Linda. John also wants Lenina.
ReplyDeleteBernard is the character that wants to be a little bit different from everyone while still staying respectful. Lenina wants to have love and know what that feels like. I agree with what McKayla because I believe that John does want Lenina but wants her in the way that their society will accept them. He also wants respect from everyone just like Linda does.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Shabad that Lenina wants to be with one man but she has been trained, like a dog (with a shock collar and treats, soma), to want to belong to everyone else
ReplyDeleteI agree with McKayla that Bernard likes being different but he wants and tries to be accepted
I think that John, having read Romeo and Juliet, believes he is in love and he wants to MARRY her (earlier he asked her if she was married) but he is too affraid to do it. (shown when he went though her things or when he saw her sleeping) He also loves thinking rather than acting because of his childhood being mocked by illiterates.
Linda wishes she didn't but she loves her son. She wants to go back to civilization but she would be an outcast because of her apperence and she is a mother.
I agree with the people who are saying Lenina wants to be in a monogamous relationship but doesn't really know how to because she has been trained to "belong to everyone." Also, Bernard wants to be individualized in a good way, not because he is "odd." In addition, John wants Lenina in a way that she's not familiar with because they come from totally different places. Therefore, if Lenina is able to overcome her conditioning and be in a relationship with one person, things may work out with her and John. Lastly, I agree with Bryan because deep down Linda knows she loves her son but doesn't want to admit it because then she would have to accept the fact that she really is a mother and had a baby. For example, after John called her mother she replied with, "I'm not your mother. I won't be your mother" (Huxley 127). Linda knows that if she admits she's a mother, she will lose the hope of going back to civilization because she would become a socially outcast.
ReplyDeleteBernard wants to be different or separate from others not in a bad way but he just doesn't think like everyone else. John wants Lenina but she is not used to the way that he wants her. Lenina isn't used to this type of relationship because since she has been conditioned all she's ever known is to be trained to belong to everyone. I agree with Bryan also that Linda can't accept that she really did have a baby because she's still holding onto the chance she has to returning to this society.
ReplyDeleteLenina wants to have somebody and not just "belong" to everyone, she wants something more along the lines of love, but that is forbidden. Bernard wants to be reconized and respected that he is different and has different ideas, but also doesn't want to get in trouble. I agree with Shabad that Mustapha Mond does not want to questioned and just wants to have his power. I agree with Bryan's outlook on Linda, she knows he is an outcast but wants to go back into the Brave New World but can't because she is a mother and loves he son evem though she does not want to. I also agree with Shabad about Fanny and Helmhotlz. Fanny wants to be reconized. Helmhotlz wants to not live in a world with so much soma he does not agree with it. In my past post on 1/6, my outlook on Lenina has not changed very much because she does want more in her life, as I said above, she wants something like love.
ReplyDeleteBernard is at this point basically looking for attention. He's tried and succeeded in getting it when he played outcast, and now is receiving it after bringing "The savage" back. Lenina, as many others have said, is looking for someone to belong to. She is trying to find this in John since she's shown an interest in boys that are different, but is afraid he does not like her back. John on the other hand, does not think he is worthy of Lenina, as Shabad said. His reactions to her modern normalities is to be expected since he was not brainwashed like the rest of them. I also agree with McKayla, that John is attracted to Lenina but would not like to have her how most people of that society would. Linda is just caked out on soma from having such a terrible life being split from the World State. She is trying to make up for all her bad experiences. Mustapha Mond definitely planned to bring in "the savage" and mother to teach everyone a lesson to keep stable based on the newcomer's actions. Some type of public event will be based around John and Linda. Helmholtz wants a utopia fit to his ideas. He does a lot of thinking and is not content with how this society works. In a previous comment, I said that Bernard saw his position as outcast and turned it into his own position of power. I think he is still doing that with his new position as John's guardian, but now there is some logic to back his pride.
ReplyDeleteBernard was an outcast and although he appeared to like the title he still craved the attention of others, so when he succeed it went to his head. Lenina as stated above just wants one person to be with which she has been trying to find in John. However John is confused and disgusted by the way this society works often quoting Shakespeare but he does want Lenina just not in the way of that society wants. I think that Mustapha Mond just wants to be able to rise in power but since it is a bad thing he has issues with trying to find outlets for he frustration and intelligence and he finds that in John and Linda.
ReplyDeleteBernard kept to himself. He didn't like to be with other people and got irritated when in a crowd. But when he got famous, it all went to his head. He began to brag about how many girls he had in one week.
ReplyDeleteLenina wants to be with someone, not everyone. As much as she wants this she also doesn't want to be an outcast for doing so. She has feelings for John but he isn't used to how their society is run seeing as he had been brought up with the savages. John also doesn't think he is good enough for Lenina.
Bernard is tired of being outside of everyone and being on his own. He now is bragging since he is famous, and he is becoming very conceded. The basic role of society is everyone goes with everyone else, but Lenina wants the idea of being with 1 person and not everyone. John and Lenina have unsaid feelings toward either, but John doesn't think he has a chance. Linda's love for John is questioned because she can't call him her "son" and he can't call her his mother.
ReplyDeleteThere is a major turning point in chapters 10-12 when Bernard brings John and Linda back to the Hatching and Conditioning Centre to meet the director. At this point in the book, Bernard is after power. He wants to be in the spotlight and to be the one that everybody else wants to meet and be acquainted with. This is especially evident as his ego balloons and he tries to exploit John by promising other important people that they can meet “the savage”. However, John is longing to have a real relationship with Lenina. Because he has read Shakespeare and is so invested in the idea of “love” he begins to reject the modern society and things like the “feelies”, which he views as crude and wrong. Lenina is also interested in spending more time with John, but because of her conditioning, she doesn’t understand his objections to the modern idea that “everyone belongs to everyone else”. If Lenina gives into her instincts and ignores her conditioning, then I think that she will find herself falling for John, who seems to be the thing she wants most at the moment. Helmholtz wants to be accepted and have friends that he gets along well with, such as John, who spends time reading Shakespeare with him and hits it off right away with him.
ReplyDeleteI agree with those who are stating that Lenina wants a monogamous relationship. She wants to be with a single person, not to belong to everybody else, even though she was raised in a society where everybody belongs to everybody else. Linda wishes to be allowed to call John her "son" because she loves him. They are living in a society where paternal words are considered to be curse words, which is one thing Linda dislikes. John wishes to have a real relationship with Lenina. However, he does not think that he has a chance and will not make a move towards the outlawed "love". Seeing as John is a Shakespeare reader, he understands what love is and wishes that he was allowed to embrace his love with Lenina. I agree with Brenna about Bernard because he is an outcast, and he seems to crave attention. Therefore, when he does get attention from bringing John to the civilization, his success goes to his head. He wants attention, power, and fame at this point in the novel.
ReplyDeleteI think also that Lenina wants a real relationship with someone, however, she still doesn't understand marriage or commitment. I feel like she doesn't understand how to get one. Linda just wants to come back to the society that she longed for when she was gone for all that time. She just purely wants pleasure which is why she comes back and all she wants is to take Soma. What John wants is to just be accepted. He felt like when he gets to the "Brave New World" everything will be better. However, when he gets there, he's treated like an outsider, too. Bernard almost uses this for his benefit. Bernard sought power and wanted to make up for his "imperfections" that everyone had talked about behind his back for his entire life and now he just craves the attention. He's getting more and more arrogant.
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